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Bob Sands (Bob_2)
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Username: Bob_2
Post Number: 9057
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 12:18 pm: |       |
Gibberish!!!
“I am not an Athiest... .”“I cannot believe that God plays dice with the world.”
-- Albert Einstein |
John Alfke (John8verse32)
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Post Number: 4219
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 3:39 pm: | |
I suggest we let George Bernard Shaw have the last word, since currently there appears insufficient reasonable expectation of willing intelligence in search of truth instead of wallowing in gibberish.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/q137450.html
its frightening: Half the people I know are below average. (apparently present company included on some threads here) |
Bob Sands (Bob_2)
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Post Number: 9074
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| | Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 9:13 pm: | |
Not too fast:
quote:"Darwinian orthodoxy demands implicit faith in the efficacy of natural selection operating on chance mutations. Subscribe to this and all doubts and hesitations disappear; question it and be forever lost. The case for orthodoxy can seldom have been stated with greater cogency and enthusiasm than by Dr. Julian Huxley in "Evolution in Action". A few readers, perhaps rather pagan in their outlook, may think it a little strange that, if the case is quite so strong as they are asked to believe, it should still be necessary to argue the merits of natural selection with almost evangelistic vigour." (Gray, Sir James [late Professor of Zoology, Cambridge University], "The Case for Natural Selection." Review of "Evolution in Action," by Julian Huxley, Chatto & Windus: London, 1953, in Nature, Vol. 173, No. 4397, February 6, 1954, p.227)
http://members.iinet.net.au/~sejones/ceqcreli.html
“I am not an Athiest... .”“I cannot believe that God plays dice with the world.”
-- Albert Einstein |
Bob Sands (Bob_2)
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Post Number: 9075
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| | Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 9:15 pm: | |
quote:"The theory of evolution by natural selection is not a difficult concept to grasp, and Charles Darwin addressed The Origin of Species itself to a general audience. But neither is it self-evident to many people that natural selection can fully account for the world they observe. Thus when questions about the theory arise in public forums, the scientific community would do much better in the long run to patiently list supporting facts and frankly admit where positive evidence is lacking, rather than paternalistically maintaining that an understanding of the theory of evolution is reserved for the priesthood of professional scientists." (Behe, Michael .J.* [Professor of Biochemistry, Lehigh University, Pennsylvania], "Understanding Evolution," Letters, Science, 30 August 1991, p.950)
http://members.iinet.net.au/~sejones/ceqcreli.html
“I am not an Athiest... .”“I cannot believe that God plays dice with the world.”
-- Albert Einstein |
Bob Sands (Bob_2)
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Post Number: 9076
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 9:22 pm: | |
Ernst Mayr - Emeritus Professor of Zoology, Harvard University, "Toward a New Philosophy of Biology: Observations of an Evolutionist," Harvard University Press: Cambridge MA, 1988, pp. 529-530.
"Evolution answers some questions but reveals many more questions. Some of these questions at this stage appear to be unanswerable in the light of present scientific knowledge. In common parlance: `The more you know, the more you know you don't know.' "
“I am not an Athiest... .”“I cannot believe that God plays dice with the world.”
-- Albert Einstein |
John Alfke (John8verse32)
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Post Number: 4225
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 9:26 pm: | |
it is not self-evident to many people that natural selection can fully account for the world they observe
and the shorter the time frame available for those changes to take place, the less believeable evolution seems.
that is why young earth creationists fight so hard at the evidence for a very old earth...which gives plenty of time (and fossil evidence) for change to happen.
and that is why there are YEC's who scream at Old Age Creationists... and call them of the devil... because giving in on the fact of old age, makes the instantaneous creationist's job harder and the evolutionist's path so much easier.
So what you have to do first, is figure out where you should be on the question of the age of the earth.
Young earth? your only evidence is ancient texts written by scientifically ignorant and supestitious people
Old earth? and you have science, history, archeology, geology, astronomy, palentology, and time and reason on your side to explain things.
its frightening: Half the people I know are below average. (apparently present company included on some threads here) |
Bob Sands (Bob_2)
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Post Number: 9077
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| | Posted on Monday, September 1, 2008 - 1:19 am: | |
John, it's not that easy a decision, as well you know. with scientists that have data that can show how a YEC earth is still possible with C14 issues out there relative to dataing, adn Rapid Tectonics also possible.
At best you are misleading at worse you are lying to people. Erv Taylor, is trying to do it this easy at AToday also, it isn't. It protects you with your scientific peers, just like Larry who left, who's job depended on "deep time". It's a real shame that professionals do that to each other, But I have seen this game played for a long time in the literature, calling YEC ignorant and unscientific. I say BRAVO for those like Dr. John Baumgardner out their sticking their necks out, more bravery than, John, you have in one little finger, IMO.
“I am not an Athiest... .”“I cannot believe that God plays dice with the world.”
-- Albert Einstein |
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